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Main reason was personal stuff leading to burnout, but component for me around unclear expectations for the role and what it meant to be successful. Not getting feedback. Joining a team that was notoriously not super organized. Felt murmurings of my performance that weren’t communicated to me. But hurt my confidence in leadership communicating what success means, hurt my own confidence. When a company scales from 50 people, deep connection, so intrinsic motivation but at this point feel the growing pains.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Main reason was personal stuff leading to burnout, but component for me around unclear expectations for the role and what it meant to be successful. Not getting feedback. Joining a team that was notoriously not super organized. Felt murmurings of my performance that weren’t communicated to me. But hurt my confidence in leadership communicating what success means, hurt my own confidence. When a company scales from 50 people, deep connection, so intrinsic motivation but at this point feel the growing pains.
To return it’d have to be the right role fit. If something available in the future, would return. Clear expectations, regular feedback, what it means to be successful.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - To return it’d have to be the right role fit. If something available in the future, would return. Clear expectations, regular feedback, what it means to be successful.
Yeah I think so. We nailed positive feedback, but needs to be balanced, especially when the person knows need to get constructive.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Yeah I think so. We nailed positive feedback, but needs to be balanced, especially when the person knows need to get constructive.
The biggest thing for improving feedback is laying out role expectations or being explicit they are vague. But if there are things that are expected, that’s the biggest thing for me. Makes it easier to give constructive feedback if have expectations. Not sure Ankur knew what he was holding me against, what expectations. Also being told I was the only junior person in the role, so couldn’t look to the others as peers. Being told I’m taking up a senior seat.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - The biggest thing for improving feedback is laying out role expectations or being explicit they are vague. But if there are things that are expected, that’s the biggest thing for me. Makes it easier to give constructive feedback if have expectations. Not sure Ankur knew what he was holding me against, what expectations. Also being told I was the only junior person in the role, so couldn’t look to the others as peers. Being told I’m taking up a senior seat.
Yeah, the way that we plan I set out projects. I was deciding what they were. Towards the end I fell back to things that would help me set better boundaries. Did a lot of team operations - help route requests, build docs to support the team. Fell back to things that I felt like could be wins b/c didn’t feel like I was having wins in my role. But felt bad volunteering for clerical piece b/c didn’t feel like I was getting wins, but then seeing others to be successful. Wish I was redirected from this so I could have tried to have more wins. What’s tough w/ the performance piece, even w/ 5 weeks off, hit most of OKRs except ones put on w/ exploration. Set OKRs but felt like another set of expectations that weren’t communicated.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Yeah, the way that we plan I set out projects. I was deciding what they were. Towards the end I fell back to things that would help me set better boundaries. Did a lot of team operations - help route requests, build docs to support the team. Fell back to things that I felt like could be wins b/c didn’t feel like I was having wins in my role. But felt bad volunteering for clerical piece b/c didn’t feel like I was getting wins, but then seeing others to be successful. Wish I was redirected from this so I could have tried to have more wins. What’s tough w/ the performance piece, even w/ 5 weeks off, hit most of OKRs except ones put on w/ exploration. Set OKRs but felt like another set of expectations that weren’t communicated.
Since I joined, each of roles in I was laying the tracks while driving the train. Then in new space to decide what roles to bring on team. I think I performed well for first couple years. I then joined data team w/ expectations that weren’t clearly communicated. Have to manage stakeholder relationships, which I kind of did on support, but w/ data, navigating diff types of agreements and had to do that part well.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Since I joined, each of roles in I was laying the tracks while driving the train. Then in new space to decide what roles to bring on team. I think I performed well for first couple years. I then joined data team w/ expectations that weren’t clearly communicated. Have to manage stakeholder relationships, which I kind of did on support, but w/ data, navigating diff types of agreements and had to do that part well.
Yeah, a lot of it was. I really really enjoyed a lot of the data work and analyses. The only part that was really hard for me was the stakeholder relationships. In a customer support role say yes to customers. W/ internal stakeholders have to say no and set boundaries. That was a lot harder to feel engaged w/ it. Confidence kept getting hit. Not able to be successful.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Yeah, a lot of it was. I really really enjoyed a lot of the data work and analyses. The only part that was really hard for me was the stakeholder relationships. In a customer support role say yes to customers. W/ internal stakeholders have to say no and set boundaries. That was a lot harder to feel engaged w/ it. Confidence kept getting hit. Not able to be successful.
Team was supportive, had a lot of tools and resources. Some of it chaotic w/ tools and resources. Didn’t know where to go or send people or set boundaries. Ankur was good at walking through tools and through challenges at me to help me learn. But didn’t feel supported on how to set up relationships and partnerships - Megaphone was chaotic and I was switching projects every quarter. I was constantly switching to something new. Demand marketing, then all megaphone, then SEO. Got whiplash kind of. Acknowledging that part of the role is to be able to navigate the ambiguity. Trying to switch so many times.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Team was supportive, had a lot of tools and resources. Some of it chaotic w/ tools and resources. Didn’t know where to go or send people or set boundaries. Ankur was good at walking through tools and through challenges at me to help me learn. But didn’t feel supported on how to set up relationships and partnerships - Megaphone was chaotic and I was switching projects every quarter. I was constantly switching to something new. Demand marketing, then all megaphone, then SEO. Got whiplash kind of. Acknowledging that part of the role is to be able to navigate the ambiguity. Trying to switch so many times.
That’s a tough one, can’t put on the company. It was taking chance on me. Any role in data, data science is a big field, so as far as anything company could have done better... biggest thing helpful for me, guidelines on how to build relationships, how to establish ownership of different parts of the work. At a big rock level, can be confusing. Eng might be building dashboards, but needed training to navigate those relationships. Maybe if in role long enough, comes easy. But think there’s some nuances here. What part of work do you own.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - That’s a tough one, can’t put on the company. It was taking chance on me. Any role in data, data science is a big field, so as far as anything company could have done better... biggest thing helpful for me, guidelines on how to build relationships, how to establish ownership of different parts of the work. At a big rock level, can be confusing. Eng might be building dashboards, but needed training to navigate those relationships. Maybe if in role long enough, comes easy. But think there’s some nuances here. What part of work do you own.
See above
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - See above
The people. I think the company has a high bar for hiring, and that’s the hardest part to leave. Everyone is super creative, and unique, and passionate. A lot of good people.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - The people. I think the company has a high bar for hiring, and that’s the hardest part to leave. Everyone is super creative, and unique, and passionate. A lot of good people.
Clear role expectations, more feedback (manager training). Maybe this is a me thing, but have heard from others too, communication system feels chaotic - slack is hard to stay up to date on.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Clear role expectations, more feedback (manager training). Maybe this is a me thing, but have heard from others too, communication system feels chaotic - slack is hard to stay up to date on.
Mentioned, but role stages and expectations. Communication strategy - meaning our comms structure generally can be chaotic, and create inclusive spaces for people (not overwhelming new folks too much).
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Mentioned, but role stages and expectations. Communication strategy - meaning our comms structure generally can be chaotic, and create inclusive spaces for people (not overwhelming new folks too much).
See answer to 11 and There is some encouragement to explore and get curious and live right over familiar. We’re good at breaking molds w/ DEI stuff, evaluating if things aren’t working, etc. The flexibility to be curious to dig into different things can be very motivating.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - See answer to 11 and There is some encouragement to explore and get curious and live right over familiar. We’re good at breaking molds w/ DEI stuff, evaluating if things aren’t working, etc. The flexibility to be curious to dig into different things can be very motivating.
At that point where we’ve tipped into scaling. Used to be small super connected team to now not know everyone. For BizPlat, sort of felt expected to keep same level of expectation, which feels in authentic. Keep smaller and it will be better - larger events feel like forced fun. We’ve leaned away from this a bit like “Dory, Molly, etc” but as we scale that can be exclusive - megaphone does “garden parties” (don’t know what that means). And then clear expectations for success. Continuing to encourage good work life balance- esp when folks are responding to emails at all hours.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - At that point where we’ve tipped into scaling. Used to be small super connected team to now not know everyone. For BizPlat, sort of felt expected to keep same level of expectation, which feels in authentic. Keep smaller and it will be better - larger events feel like forced fun. We’ve leaned away from this a bit like “Dory, Molly, etc” but as we scale that can be exclusive - megaphone does “garden parties” (don’t know what that means). And then clear expectations for success. Continuing to encourage good work life balance- esp when folks are responding to emails at all hours.
No, don’t think so. The thing that was hard was moving from manager to IC, knowing that we were told to make sure to focus on positive feedback, but I know it needs to be balanced w/ constructive. There is a secretive space in a way.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - No, don’t think so. The thing that was hard was moving from manager to IC, knowing that we were told to make sure to focus on positive feedback, but I know it needs to be balanced w/ constructive. There is a secretive space in a way.
Yes, I shared a lot of the feedback.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - Yes, I shared a lot of the feedback.
[off the record] - Alex is really tough. In what used to be my favorite meeting he’ll dominate the conversation for 30min. Even John looks dead inside, I can tell he’s just saying “I’m so over this.” Worried he’s going to ruin the culture / experience for a lot of others. Quickly.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) - [off the record] - Alex is really tough. In what used to be my favorite meeting he’ll dominate the conversation for 30min. Even John looks dead inside, I can tell he’s just saying “I’m so over this.” Worried he’s going to ruin the culture / experience for a lot of others. Quickly.
Jane Smith (Product Manager) -
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Realizing that customer success wasn’t a good fit for what I was interested in my career long term.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Realizing that customer success wasn’t a good fit for what I was interested in my career long term.
An opportunity in professional services or a leadership role would have presented the right new challenge.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - An opportunity in professional services or a leadership role would have presented the right new challenge.
I do, yeah. But always room for more in that area. Not specific to the company.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - I do, yeah. But always room for more in that area. Not specific to the company.
I did receive feedback about my performance. Where i would have liked more feedback was on growth opportunities - because I was asking for it would have liked to know how I could have gotten to a better spot.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - I did receive feedback about my performance. Where i would have liked more feedback was on growth opportunities - because I was asking for it would have liked to know how I could have gotten to a better spot.
No. Not very. I do recognize because team is growing and emerging. Didn’t feel like that was a major issue though. Knew it was changing and being defined.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - No. Not very. I do recognize because team is growing and emerging. Didn’t feel like that was a major issue though. Knew it was changing and being defined.
No. It didn’t. It was my impression of the job changed. And not necessarily any thing about the job.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - No. It didn’t. It was my impression of the job changed. And not necessarily any thing about the job.
Sort of. Parts did and parts didn’t. Certain aspects of what I enjoyed others didn’t.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Sort of. Parts did and parts didn’t. Certain aspects of what I enjoyed others didn’t.
Yes, I did. I did feel like had enough of all of those.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Yes, I did. I did feel like had enough of all of those.
Yes. There was one aspect that I personally didn’t have experience with - email campaign / sales outreach that didn’t have experience with and could have used support on that early in the role.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Yes. There was one aspect that I personally didn’t have experience with - email campaign / sales outreach that didn’t have experience with and could have used support on that early in the role.
Might be something you’ve done or plan to do, but for me, an intentional time where we talk about career, discussed at company level or encourages that to happen.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Might be something you’ve done or plan to do, but for me, an intentional time where we talk about career, discussed at company level or encourages that to happen.
I loved working directly with makers and problem solving a specific request.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - I loved working directly with makers and problem solving a specific request.
I would have preferred more technical doc building and less outreach.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - I would have preferred more technical doc building and less outreach.
Meetings- the stats and stories meeting was too into the weeds in stats and the stories was not intentional enough. Both are very important and missed opportunity to make it polished and valuable. Felt like a weekly update rather than intentional high impact sharing of trends and stories. Already been discussed but the way that slack channels, vs emails, vs doc - the way information is shared and collaborated on is going to be hard to scale as the team grows.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Meetings- the stats and stories meeting was too into the weeds in stats and the stories was not intentional enough. Both are very important and missed opportunity to make it polished and valuable. Felt like a weekly update rather than intentional high impact sharing of trends and stories. Already been discussed but the way that slack channels, vs emails, vs doc - the way information is shared and collaborated on is going to be hard to scale as the team grows.
Very, um, people are highly motivated, competent and creative. In some ways the focus on efficiency and how things are run I appreciated. So much on our product. Allows for intentional discussion.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Very, um, people are highly motivated, competent and creative. In some ways the focus on efficiency and how things are run I appreciated. So much on our product. Allows for intentional discussion.
In person events which doing soon!
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - In person events which doing soon!
No
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - No
No, other than the role fit.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - No, other than the role fit.
Doing all the right things right now, just making clear the responsibilities.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - Doing all the right things right now, just making clear the responsibilities.
I really appreciated time here and loved the product.
Sam Barnes (Engineer) - I really appreciated time here and loved the product.
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Realized I wasn’t feeling challenged on a daily basis. I felt like I should push myself and started to learn more on the side.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Realized I wasn’t feeling challenged on a daily basis. I felt like I should push myself and started to learn more on the side.
If there was a chance to join the engineering team after I’ve finished my CS education. I don’t want to work in operations anymore and want to be more technical.
Adam Parsho (EA) - If there was a chance to join the engineering team after I’ve finished my CS education. I don’t want to work in operations anymore and want to be more technical.
Yes, I always felt positive feedback. People were very supportive.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Yes, I always felt positive feedback. People were very supportive.
My manager helped me a ton with my writing, communication, and organization.
Adam Parsho (EA) - My manager helped me a ton with my writing, communication, and organization.
Yes
Adam Parsho (EA) - Yes
No, it was very consistent and had a nice blend of work.
Adam Parsho (EA) - No, it was very consistent and had a nice blend of work.
Initially yes, but I realized I have a different passion.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Initially yes, but I realized I have a different passion.
Yes, lots of support.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Yes, lots of support.
Lots of hands-on learning, which I liked.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Lots of hands-on learning, which I liked.
I’d love more support on my public speaking skills.
Adam Parsho (EA) - I’d love more support on my public speaking skills.
People - totally amazing.
Adam Parsho (EA) - People - totally amazing.
Nothing - just wished I enjoyed it more.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Nothing - just wished I enjoyed it more.
Would love to see us invest in more face to face time. Being remote was a bit dry.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Would love to see us invest in more face to face time. Being remote was a bit dry.
Collaborative, transparent, fast-moving.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Collaborative, transparent, fast-moving.
As I said earlier, in-person time.
Adam Parsho (EA) - As I said earlier, in-person time.
No
Adam Parsho (EA) - No
No
Adam Parsho (EA) - No
Hyper motivated and organized.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Hyper motivated and organized.
Really grateful for my time here.
Adam Parsho (EA) - Really grateful for my time here.
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